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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:50 am

Alcohol became legal in my town just earlier this year. Before that, everyone had to drive to the next town over to buy booze/visit bars.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:00 am

DarthDarthington wrote:
Alcohol became legal in my town just earlier this year. Before that, everyone had to drive to the next town over to buy booze/visit bars.


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In this whole area, it is illegal to sell alcoholic beverages. Items like hair spray, Listerine, spray paint, and rubbing alcohol have to be purchased with an I.D. because there are no alcohol sales, and people look for alternate ways to get high.

Also, unemployment is over 60%. There are meth labs everywhere. On the weekends people who live there drive to border towns and buy loads of booze. Got a check from Social Security? Buy as much Schlitz as you can!

I believe my hometown has the highest number of alcohol-related car accidents in the state, possibly the nation because of how it was a border town, and everyone would come buy booze, get drunk, and crash into every fucking thing. Nevermind that back home nobody knows how to drive.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:07 am

Here in South Carolina, most counties forbid selling alcohol on Sundays. It's repealed only if 1) a county votes to repeal the blue law, or 2) the county makes over a certain amount (I think $100,000) in hospitality tax per year.

The blue laws also forbid non-grocery stores from opening before 1:30 PM on Sunday. That used to cause a problem with a certain mall, part of which lay in one county and the other part in another county; some stores could open early while others had to wait. Thankfully, both counties are now without the blue law.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:58 am

Pierre Gringoire wrote:
-Women talking back to people in authority without consequence.
Hell, anybody talking back to people in authority without consequence. People of this time believed in a microinterventionist God, one who had very specifically put your overlord in a position of authority and you in a position of subjugation. Claude Frollo, the (movieverse) city's Minister of Justice, is in that position because God put him there. The Gypsies are at the bottom of society because God wanted it so. And when movie-Phoebus defies Frollo, he's not just defying authority -- he's defying Divinely appointed authority.

Jenny Islander wrote:
A LOT of slash runs into this. Do people really not know that in the lifetime of the current U.S. president, it was still possible to be involuntarily committed to an insane asylum on the basis of having voluntarily had homosexual sex with a fellow adult? Or that you could also be charged and convicted as a criminal purely for said acts?
I remember a M*A*S*H story that had Hawkeye and Trapper John engaging in some cheerful mutual masturbation while Frank Burns was on leave, with no more repercussion than that when he returned they got to exchange sly winks and chuckles, just to annoy him by the suspicion that they had a secret.

No. Leaving aside that Trapper is happily married and Hawkeye may be the most rampantly heterosexual character on 1970s television, such an incident would have been for both of them a matter of major guilt, self-questioning, and fear -- serious fear. If something like that had become known, it would have not only led to courts-martial and dishonorable discharges for both of them, but it would have followed them into their civilian lives and destroyed their medical careers.

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Rabid Badger wrote:
When I was a kid (mid-late 1960s) most towns had 'Blue Laws' that forbade bars from opening on Sunday. I can also remember when you had to buy anything stronger than beer from a liquor store or in a bar-grocery stores having liquor sections was unheard of. And that wasn't that long ago.

It's still like this in the anal time warp of Pennsylvania. Only bars and state-run stores sell liquor. You generally can't get beer at the grocery store. There's one convenience store in Altoona that sells beer, and a local grocery store managed to get a beer permit because of some restaurant-related loophole. As long as the cafe is open, you can buy beer at those cash registers only. Not through the normal checkout, although it's the exact. Same. Damn. Store.
Here in Arizona it's illegal to sell any alcoholic beverage on a Sunday before 10:00 a.m. That was moved back a few years ago, from noon. I can remember being at the flea market on Sunday mornings, and as noon approached seeing long lines at the snack bar's single beer window, waiting for it to open.

Rydain wrote:
A while back, I encountered people protesting against the entire notion of selling alcohol in the grocery store. Judging from their signs, they seemed to believe that its proximity to food would hurt children. I shit you not.
A couple of years ago a local supermarket -- my nearest Fry's Marketplace, in fact -- did a major rearrangement of its layout. The local Mormon families organized a picket, to keep people from shopping there on the grounds that the beer and wine section could be seen from the entrance. Yeah. Apparently the mere sight of alcoholic beverages is dangerous for Mormon kids.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:31 pm

Amazing about all the alcohol restrictions. The fanbrat I heard from definitely thought that all alcohol was illegal all the time in the United States (I don't think it was ever entirely illegal--it was allowed for religious purposes and in medicine, and Listerine became a favorite beverage during Prohibition because of its 40% alcohol content).

Here in California, at least in this area, alcoholic beverages can be purchased pretty much anytime, anywhere (last Christmas, my sister decided she wanted tequila for the dish she was cooking, but almost every place in town closes by noon on Christmas; she still managed to find it, though, because I knew of a liquor store run by a Hindu guy; when she went there, it was packed). Beer, wine, and hard liquor are readily available in any supermarket or liquor store, beer is to be had at any convenience store, cheap alcoholic beverages are available at discount stores like Big Lots, and every pizza parlor and Mexican restaurant serves beer (the Mexican restaurants also serve margaritas). In my town, 80% of the restaurants are Mexican restaurants or pizza places. Of course, there are also bars, where you can get any alcoholic beverage you want (plus, at a number of them, if you make eye contact with certain people and follow them behind the building, you can buy all sorts of stuff that no one knows anything about if they're smart).
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:43 pm

Nihilist wrote:
Also, unemployment is over 60%. There are meth labs everywhere. On the weekends people who live there drive to border towns and buy loads of booze. Got a check from Social Security? Buy as much Schlitz as you can!

Huh, and here I was under the impression that Schlitz went under in, like, the '80s or '90s after the snot beer fiasco. But then, I've never lived in the Midwest.

Also, Virginia is another state where hard liquor must be purchased from state-run stores (which aren't open on Sundays). God, I miss California.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:20 pm

For the longest time, I thought that the legal age for drinking in the US was a holdover of the prudishness of the 19th century. But no! It's from the '80s!

What the fuck, United States?

I'm well aware that this is only peripherally aware to the subject we're discussing, but everything I have to say is important.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:20 am

Dr. Professor Science wrote:
For the longest time, I thought that the legal age for drinking in the US was a holdover of the prudishness of the 19th century. But no! It's from the '80s!

What the fuck, United States?

I'm well aware that this is only peripherally aware to the subject we're discussing, but everything I have to say is important.


When I was in high school (1970s), it was 18, which was also the age at which you could legally vote. By the time my sons were adults (20000), it had been raised to 21 (as had the voting age).

On the other hand, I remember my dad (who was born in 1918) telling me that when he was growing up, if you were capable of walking into a bar, ordering a beer, and paying for it, most bartenders would serve you.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:31 am

Is voting age a state-by-state thing? Where I'm standing it's 18, not 21 (although the drinking age is still 21).
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:10 am

Morinen wrote:
Is voting age a state-by-state thing? Where I'm standing it's 18, not 21 (although the drinking age is still 21).


No, the voting age is 18, the legal age to buy tobacco products is 18, and the legal age to buy alcohol is 21. This is the same across the board throughout the United States. In the past, it was different and I think that's where you're getting confused.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:30 am

I got confused when Badger said the drinking and voting ages both had been raised to 21, yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:20 am

On the single item of voting age, I think Badger is mistaken: the voting age was lowered to eighteen by a Constitutional amendment which would not be easy to overturn.

Each state theoretically can make its own drinking-age laws, but -- largely at the behest of the neo-prohibitionist group Mothers Against Drunk Drivers -- the Federal government has by fiat demanded that all be maintained at twenty-one, the logic apparently being that if young people are engaging in an unhealthy or hazardous action, the remedy is to pass a law making the action a rite of passage, and inextricably intertwining the action with the concept of "maturity". Any state that lowers its legal drinking age automatically loses a portion of its Federal highway-maintenance funds.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:55 am

Morinen wrote:
I got confused when Badger said the drinking and voting ages both had been raised to 21, yes.


Badger was a mite confused herself, apparently Blush
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:46 pm

Rabid Badger wrote:
Morinen wrote:
I got confused when Badger said the drinking and voting ages both had been raised to 21, yes.


Badger was a mite confused herself, apparently Blush


And surely, surely Badger's the only person here to whom that's ever happened. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:37 pm

Cactus Wren wrote:
Each state theoretically can make its own drinking-age laws, but -- largely at the behest of the neo-prohibitionist group Mothers Against Drunk Drivers -- the Federal government has by fiat demanded that all be maintained at twenty-one, the logic apparently being that if young people are engaging in an unhealthy or hazardous action, the remedy is to pass a law making the action a rite of passage, and inextricably intertwining the action with the concept of "maturity". Any state that lowers its legal drinking age automatically loses a portion of its Federal highway-maintenance funds.

Ah, Mothers Against Drunk Driving...they had a booth during registration at the university I went to. I stopped to talk to them briefly and found them to be some of the most humorless people I'd ever met. After talking to them, I had a strong urge to go out and have a beer.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:27 pm

Lady Anne wrote:
Ah, Mothers Against Drunk Driving...they had a booth during registration at the university I went to. I stopped to talk to them briefly and found them to be some of the most humorless people I'd ever met. After talking to them, I had a strong urge to go out and have a beer.

I felt like that about the anti-drinking people I encountered while I was at University. They made me long for a drink.

I went to a north Wales university during the early 1980s, and at that time the law in Gwynedd was that you couldn't buy a drink on Sunday. So we all piled into cars (and public transport) on a Sunday and pootled over to the next county (Clwydd, I think) and bought our beer there. Then drove back (where applicable). A friend of mine wrapped two cars around trees in two consecutive years, both times on a Sunday thanks to that stupid law. It was repealed during my third year at uni.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:42 pm

A woman in the 1860s surprising her husband on their wedding night with her new lingerie.
Including a detailed description of her frilly, lacy bra. :|

ETA: Seconding the rage at fanbrats believing homosexuality was accepted by everyone as a wonderful and loving thing during the 1960s or earlier. Ugh.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:21 pm

ZOMG Rachy wrote:

ETA: Seconding the rage at fanbrats believing homosexuality was accepted by everyone as a wonderful and loving thing during the 1960s or earlier. Ugh.


I think it's alright as long as they acknowledge that their work is wish fulfillment, and in the end, they'd find someone or a group of people that would accept them as wonderful human beings. Is that too much to ask for anyone from any time period? Stonehenge?

But then, that's kind of stretching the abilities and consciousness of most teenage writers who assume that Joan of Arc had a Sony Walkman of all things, and that everything will always be peachy, and go their way, but then be in the most selfish, urple and uninteresting way possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:13 pm

Nihilist wrote:
ZOMG Rachy wrote:

ETA: Seconding the rage at fanbrats believing homosexuality was accepted by everyone as a wonderful and loving thing during the 1960s or earlier. Ugh.


I think it's alright as long as they acknowledge that their work is wish fulfillment, and in the end, they'd find someone or a group of people that would accept them as wonderful human beings. Is that too much to ask for anyone from any time period? Stonehenge?

But then, that's kind of stretching the abilities and consciousness of most teenage writers who assume that Joan of Arc had a Sony Walkman of all things, and that everything will always be peachy, and go their way, but then be in the most selfish, urple and uninteresting way possible.


Well, any time period had its people who agreed with it and its people who didn't (just look at the present), but as a general rule fanbrats don't write gay romance as wish fulfillment, they write it because two men who look more like prepubescent girls going at it makes their panties wet. xD;
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:32 pm

I read a Titanic story once that was set in the 1930's. It was AU, but that wasn't the problem. The problem was that in one scene, Cal learns that his birth mother was killed by his father for helping the servants escape (this would have taken place somewhere between 1906 and 1915).

Yes, helping the servants escape. Not firing them, not driving them to quit, helping them escape. Apparently the author missed the bit in history class where slavery was abolished during the early 1860's.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:38 pm

ZOMG Rachy wrote:

but as a general rule fanbrats don't write gay romance as wish fulfillment, they write it because two men who look more like prepubescent girls going at it makes their panties wet. xD;


Apparently my point went far over your head. Wish fulfillment is different for everyone.

This is wish fulfillment for Farfalla:


Doesn't make it any less shitty. No bishounen here.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:04 am

ZOMG Rachy wrote:

Well, any time period had its people who agreed with it and its people who didn't (just look at the present), but as a general rule fanbrats don't write gay romance as wish fulfillment, they write it because two men who look more like prepubescent girls going at it makes their panties wet. xD;


Yo, I don't even gotta read your posts, but judging on username alone, I fucking hate your guts.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:21 am

Narwhal wrote:
ZOMG Rachy wrote:

Well, any time period had its people who agreed with it and its people who didn't (just look at the present), but as a general rule fanbrats don't write gay romance as wish fulfillment, they write it because two men who look more like prepubescent girls going at it makes their panties wet. xD;


Yo, I don't even gotta read your posts, but judging on username alone, I fucking hate your guts.


It must be nice to have so much hate inside of you. You don't even have to store it for the people who actually deserve it - instead, you can dole it around to everybody on a whim, even when you're not entirely sure they merit the effort of hate or not. You're such a giver, Narwhal.
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:51 am

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But then, that's kind of stretching the abilities and consciousness of most teenage writers who assume that Joan of Arc had a Sony Walkman of all things,


MAYBE SHE GOT IT FROM BILL AND TED

*WYLD STALLYNS*
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PostSubject: Re: Horrible Histories   Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:58 pm

Nihilist wrote:

But then, that's kind of stretching the abilities and consciousness of most teenage writers who assume that Joan of Arc had a Sony Walkman of all things
Oh I don't know. The Smiths thought so too Razz
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