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PostSubject: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:24 am

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A high school cheerleader in Silsbee, Texas, is forced by a federal appeals court to cheer for her alleged rapist.

It all started two years ago when a group of boys grabbed 16-year-old "H.S." at a post football game party. The victim says they dragged her into a room, locked the door, and proceeded to rape her. One of the alleged rapists is the small town's star athlete, Rakheem Bolton...

Meanwhile, H.S. went back to cheering on the varsity squad. But when her rapist, Bolton, sauntered up to the foul line for a free throw, H.S. sat down and turned her back. "I didn't want to have to say his name, and I didn't want to cheer for him," the girl said. "I didn't want to encourage anything he was doing."

The district superintendent, his assistant, and the school principal called her outside and demanded that she cheer for the star athlete. Either that, or go home. Fans, meanwhile, sat in the bleachers and mocked the crying girl.


Well it is Texas - high school sports is second to God down there.

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H.S. fought back and filed a lawsuit with the Fifth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, saying that her free speech rights were violated. A panel of three of the most conservative judges denied her claim. As a "mouthpiece" for the school, she had no right to refuse to cheer for her rapist, they ruled. Indeed, it was she and not the school whose rights were violated:


Okay, now before I get to this part I want to put on my fireproof suit.

Just a moment...

Okay, ready.

The court is absolutely correct on the letter of the law:

1) She was participating in a school-sponsored activity. 40 years of Supreme Court precedent have stated that schools are within their rights to forbid speech or expression during these activities that would be disruptive to the school environment. You can quibble over whether her refusal to cheer caused the disruption, or that the administration singling her out caused it, but the end result is the same.

2) Cheerleading is a voluntary activity, like all other extra-curricular events. Therefore, the "captive audience" provisions (which permit someone to silently protest if they have no means of removing themselves from the speech they find offensive) do not apply. She could choose to abide by the rules of conduct she was given when she joined the cheer team, or she could choose not to and therefore forfeit the privilege of participating.

Now, I said that they were right on the technical merits. That doesn't mean I don't think that in the process they didn't run roughshod over the spirit of the law.

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They also ruled that she "pay the school district's legal fees on the grounds their suit was far-fetched and frivolous."


Now this part I wholly disagree with. It's just the court being a bunch of assholes.

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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:29 am

Within the letter of the law, I'm sure they were right. But this should not have even been close to the big deal it was made into. Fucking hell, why couldn't she just... not cheer? Shes one cheerleader out of many, who the fuck cares. Make her sit out or have her quit, don;t humiliate her for no fucking reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:03 am

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Within the letter of the law, I'm sure they were right. But this should not have even been close to the big deal it was made into. Fucking hell, why couldn't she just... not cheer? Shes one cheerleader out of many, who the fuck cares. Make her sit out or have her quit, don;t humiliate her for no fucking reason.
But what about the poor little star athlete?

ACCUSATIONS LIKE THAT CAN RUIN A GUY'S LIFE
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:12 pm

That's probably the exact mentality that's at work.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:35 pm

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That's probably the exact mentality that's at work.
Of course it is; that's the standard rape culture line.

More on this story. This bit is particularly vile:
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She said youths shouted "slut" at her as she drove to school with her younger sister, who soon transferred to another school.


Got it? Getting raped is very slutty behaviour.

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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:01 pm

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Got it? Getting raped is very slutty behaviour.


Oh, Zozo, you great big silly. She didn't even get raped. You see, the sex between her and the star football player was consensual. She just doesn't want her parents/her friends/society to think she's a slut, so she accused him of rape.

After all, he's the star football player, the picture of the All-American manly man, while she's just a horrid little vixen out to destroy him. He's the victim here, not her.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:53 pm

You're right, of course you're right. And the little hussy might ruin school spirit and the football results!
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:54 pm

Well it's good to know that they were technically correct and totally within their legal rights to humiliate a rape victim. Thanks for that bit of information.

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Make her sit out or have her quit

Yes, she should quit the cheerleading squad because of what he did to her.

Please take note, various trogs who advise rape victims to go to the cops - she did report the initial incident to the police. Didn't stop the community turning on her. Didn't get her rape kit processed any faster. Didn't stop her being forced off the cheerleading squad. Meanwhile the dude got to continue his life unhindered, and ultimately got away with a slap on the wrist. AMAZING FEMALE PRIVILEGES
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:59 pm

She really shouldn't have to quit the team. I'm not proposing blaming her at all. But if they were going to be cuts about having to stick to her cheerleader duties, she should be given choices as to how she can not have to be involved in them when it comes to her rapist. Unfortunately, no matter what she does, it would likely end up beng not unlike quitting anyway, as he IS the star player.

In an ideal world, he'd be kicked off the team. But as we all know, that's just not going to happen. One little mistake shouldn't ruin his life, ya see.

Yes, I'm being facetious. Just to make sure you all know. I tend to get my ass thrown to the curb for quips like this.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:23 pm

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Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her


Whaaaaaaaaat?

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Silsbee, Texas


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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:47 pm

I read about this on the PaperBackSwap forums. Someone there called the girl a media whore for taking it to court. Angry
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:05 am

Cyberwulf wrote:
Well it's good to know that they were technically correct and totally within their legal rights to humiliate a rape victim. Thanks for that bit of information.


Yes, they were right as a matter of First Amendment Law. Tinker and the cases associated with it do not apply in this case as the activity was purely voluntary. She was not required to participate as a cheerleader.

As a matter of how they presented it, they were utterly and totally wrong.

Had she filed a Title IX suit, she would have probably won. Had she filed a civil suit against the school for failure to provide a safe learning environment, she would have probably won.

She filed a First Amendment case. For the court to rule in her favor would have been judicial activism of the worst bent - it would have been contrary to settled law as to the rights of minors within the schoolhouse setting.


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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:52 am

This is an example of sports culture, especially in small-town America. A star athlete is nigh-unto unassailable. The community within the school and outside it venerate him (almost, but not quite, always a male) so much that they are willing to overlook just about anything that they wouldn't for anyone else. He shoves someone (man or woman) down a flight of stairs? Well, that person must've deserved it. He wraps his car around a tree while high (but is unhurt himself)? Well, youthful exuberance should be excused. He turns out to be a serial killer? Well, it'd probably depend on whom he's been killing.* The athlete is such an idol that the people desperately need to doubt any accusations against him. Thus, any offense he commits must be both heinous (which rape absolutely is) and public (which rape rarely is). Anything less than incontrovertible proof, and people will cling to their belief in the athlete. Heck, some will do so even after being given proof on a platter.

That said, there is a simple way to reduce the fervor. He must simply stop being a star athlete. If he starts doing poorly or suffers a career-ending injury, they will abandon him. Sad as it may be, breaking his leg at practice will knock him off his golden throne faster than any criminal activity.

I was wonder about same thing, Spotts. Why did her lawyers go after the one case they had no chance of winning?




*I'm exaggerating on this one, but not as much as I wish I were.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:29 am

Drabbler wrote:
I was wonder about same thing, Spotts. Why did her lawyers go after the one case they had no chance of winning?


Based on the Statement of Facts in the opinion, the argument forwarded was that her speech was protected as it was "symbolic" to demonstrate her disapproval of the behavior of the player. Essentially, the attorneys were taking the position that her symbolic speech conveyed a message that the audience would understand and that the speech itself was not "disruptive" under the standards forwarded in Bethel School District v. Fraser (1986) and Morse v. Frederick (2007).

That argument is pretty well shot to bits by the analysis in Bethel, which vests in the school board (and by extension the school administration) the authority to determine what speech is and is not permissible to further the educational or associated goals of the school, and the analysis in Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier (1988) that a school does not have to support speech that inherently conflicts with the goals they are trying to advance.

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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:42 am

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The athlete is such an idol that the people desperately need to doubt any accusations against him. Thus, any offense he commits must be both heinous (which rape absolutely is) and public (which rape rarely is). Anything less than incontrovertible proof, and people will cling to their belief in the athlete. Heck, some will do so even after being given proof on a platter.

That said, there is a simple way to reduce the fervor. He must simply stop being a star athlete. If he starts doing poorly or suffers a career-ending injury, they will abandon him. Sad as it may be, breaking his leg at practice will knock him off his golden throne faster than any criminal activity.

Pretty much this. People have a funny way of siding with their idols no matter what they do. They stop being idols and the floodgates open pretty much immediately.

Wonder where ZoZo's sarcasm is in the threads where rape allegations were false and a guy got their life ruined. Wait, nevermind, she's busy being an idiot in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:13 am

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ZoZo wrote:
Got it? Getting raped is very slutty behaviour.


Oh, Zozo, you great big silly. She didn't even get raped. You see, the sex between her and the star football player was consensual. She just doesn't want her parents/her friends/society to think she's a slut, so she accused him of rape.

After all, he's the star football player, the picture of the All-American manly man, while she's just a horrid little vixen out to destroy him. He's the victim here, not her.


>Implying there are free throws in football.

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Put down the joint.

Also, most everything happened just like it should except for two parts.

1.) They really didn't need to make her cheer. Cheerleaders are like Kanye West. Noisy and completely fucking irrelevant, whether or not she cheers won't affect the game.
2.) There's no excuse for making her pay the school's legal fees.

Other than that, the accused hasn't been convicted (or indicted, or arrested) yet, so he technically still innocent. Remember, judicial standards apply to crimes with female victims as well. Get over it.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:44 am

Shit Psy, you're so right. The rape conviction rate in Ireland is less than five percent. In Wales a woman got eight months in prison for trying to withdraw rape charges after being pressured by her rapist to do so. In Detroit a fourteen year old killed herself after being bullied relentlessly because she accused an eighteen year old of raping her. But who cares? Clearly the real problem is the 2-8% of rape allegations that are genuinely, maliciously false. Let's talk about them and how to put a stop to them. Maybe we could pass a law making it illegal for rape victims to name their attackers except in a police station. Heck, if this cheerleader had just kept her rape to herself she wouldn't have been humiliated by the school so it's her own fault, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:51 am

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Shit Psy, you're so right. The rape conviction rate in Ireland is less than five percent. In Wales a woman got eight months in prison for trying to withdraw rape charges after being pressured by her rapist to do so. In Detroit a fourteen year old killed herself after being bullied relentlessly because she accused an eighteen year old of raping her. But who cares? Clearly the real problem is the 2-8% of rape allegations that are genuinely, maliciously false. Let's talk about them and how to put a stop to them. Maybe we could pass a law making it illegal for rape victims to name their attackers except in a police station. Heck, if this cheerleader had just kept her rape to herself she wouldn't have been humiliated by the school so it's her own fault, right?
You are so absolutely right here, CW. Those poor, poor men and their ruined lives. I weep for them. They're the real victims of rape culture.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:42 am

...so how big does the minority of the falsely accused need to be before they stop being acceptable collateral damage and start being another part of the problem that needs solving?
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:17 am

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...so how big does the minority of the falsely accused need to be before they stop being acceptable collateral damage and start being another part of the problem that needs solving?


Oh, god.

*takes cover from the shitstorm about to happen*
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:54 am

Shut up, Alhazred.

Psy-4 wrote:
Wonder where ZoZo's sarcasm is in the threads where rape allegations were false and a guy got their life ruined. Wait, nevermind, she's busy being an idiot in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Aww, is little baby still crying over ZoZo ignoring his non-existant Psychology degree?
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:54 am

False accusations of rape are in line with false accusations of any other crime, violent or otherwise.

I suppose it would therefore become a problem in need of a solution if it were vastly disproportionate.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:15 pm

Cyberwulf wrote:
Heck, if this cheerleader had just kept her rape to herself she wouldn't have been humiliated by the school so it's her own fault, right?


Are you missing the point on purpose or are you not getting it?

Had she picked any other avenue of suing the school she likely would have won. But because she picked the one in which the school was perfectly within the Constitution and their legal rights as an educational institution, she lost.

You want outcome-driven justice - the victim was harmed, so let's find a way to bend the law to fit into that result even if doing so would be contrary to decades of precedent or create such inherent contradictions within the law that the law itself becomes useless.

I'm not saying that the school couldn't have taken remedial steps (unlike the courts, the school does have the latitude to sanction a student who has merely been accused of a crime before they have had their day in court). I'm saying that in this circumstance her lawyers made the wrong tactical move.

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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:44 pm

If you'd put the law degree down for two seconds, you'd realise I wasn't even talking about the court case any more. I really couldn't give a flip about how her lawyers picked the wrong grounds for the lawsuit. I care that rape victims are expected to suck it up and/or alter their lives so their rapists can go on with theirs unless and until they're successfully convicted. That isn't wanting to render the law useless. That's called being pissed off at a shitty thing that happens way too often.
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PostSubject: Re: Court: Cheerleader Must Cheer For The Player Who Raped Her   Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:21 pm

Just Chipper wrote:
Shut up, Alhazred.


I'm sorry, am I ruining your crusade by pointing out the hypocrisy?


ZoZo wrote:
False accusations of rape are in line with false accusations of any other crime, violent or otherwise.

I suppose it would therefore become a problem in need of a solution if it were vastly disproportionate.


Wow. Just, wow.

You know, every now and then, I think to myself, "gee, it's entirely possible I'm missing something by dismissing all the Wugwuh feminists as complete lunatics with persecution complexes the size of the moon, egos to match and a complete lack of actual human compassion over things that don't feed their attention whoring."

Then this thread came along and proved that if I'm missing anything, it's the severity of how epically delusional they are.
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