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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:43 am

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I remember I sporked a Torchwood fic about Ianto having a Sue sister named Alexia. Which, by the way, is the inability to comprehend language. It was actually pretty fitting for that particular Sue, judging by some of her dialogue.

The scary thing is that I actually came across "Alexia" as a name elsewhere recently. I think it was in real life, which kind of worries me. I hope it's not being used as a real name. Isn't Alexis good enough?


Not if you want your daughter to be SUPER SPESHUL!

I actually know a girl named Alexia. Her parents wanted a boy and were going to name him Alex. When they got a girl instead, it apparently never occurred to them to name her Alexis.

I know that in the upcoming Torchwood series "Children of Earth,' we actually get to meet Ianto's older sister, but I haven't heard what her name is. Hopefully something suitably Welsh.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:10 pm

DeeDee wrote:
I remember I sporked a Torchwood fic about Ianto having a Sue sister named Alexia. Which, by the way, is the inability to comprehend language. It was actually pretty fitting for that particular Sue, judging by some of her dialogue.

The scary thing is that I actually came across "Alexia" as a name elsewhere recently. I think it was in real life, which kind of worries me. I hope it's not being used as a real name. Isn't Alexis good enough?

It's definitely used as a real name...there's a student at the high school I work for who has that name.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:22 pm

I'm thinking "Alexia" is one of those things that developed because "Alexis" can be used for either gender, and some parents wanted an "Alexis" that was unambiguously feminine. Hence the "-ia" suffix. That explains a lot of these modern names, actually.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:34 pm

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:
Anything with 'Star' in their name is classified as 'ripoff' in the Transformers fandom.


I've seen a lot of OCs with derivative names in TF fandom. (Not to mention the various fanon names they slammed on TFA's Chickscream, before she was announced Slipstream at Botcon-- Nightbird, Nightscream, and the WGW Bombshell. Apparently, people forget we already had a Bombshell... and he was in the same episode as Nightbird, being weevil-y and awesome. Insecticons! <3 )

I think the single worst name I've ever seen, though-- worse than Cubiczicrona, even-- was Morwen.

"Dark maiden." Also a character in the Silmarillion.

As Lockdown's sue lover.

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Lembech wrote:
Hikari and Sakura are pretty common in anime-related badfic, provided that there's no characters in canon that have the name already.


I've seen a Sakura!sue in a fandom that did already have a Sakura.

ETA: Also, I'm just going to say Alexis is an awesome name, and that my opinion is not at all biased by my wild fangirl crush on the character from TF: Armada. >.>
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:39 pm

I was looking through my old Deleterius posts and found a few.

Analaya (put a dash after the L)

Kelsey (Not bad until you find out that this is supposed to be the name of a High Elf and "Moonlight" in Elvish.)

Rosalyn; aka “Rosa” Monroe, but her friends nicknamed her “Kat” because her eyes remind people of a cat’s eye.

And to top it all off, this is all one character:
Dalagasa Alecnor Cilarista Sharnoras
Dalagasa Dragonfire Bloom Sharnoras.
Darla Draconic Shadowfire
Darla, Darla Shadowfire


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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:41 pm

I_Lam_Edhellen wrote:
I was looking through my old Deleterius posts and found a few.

Analaya (put a dash after the L)


Reminds me of Analiyah, the brains (?) behind the infamous Voyager trollfics.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:01 am

I haven't seen any particularly horrifying ones in a while, but it does annoy me a lot when people do not do the research on period-appropriate names. If you're writing an HoND fic (either bookverse or Disneyverse), for example, your beautiful half-gypsy half-elven half-hunchback-except-a-pretty-hunchback-with-a-voice-that-sounds-like-Celine-Dion would probably not be named Kyle or Caitlin if she lived in 1400s France.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:12 am

Related to which, if you're writing a next-generation fic then for goodness' sake make sure the characters have names that would be plausible for their parents to give them.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:43 am

szaleniec wrote:
Related to which, if you're writing a next-generation fic then for goodness' sake make sure the characters have names that would be plausible for their parents to give them.

The problem here is that the actual authors aren't helping our cause in this regard. Renesseme?
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:00 am

Point taken. Smile Having said that, Bella is a teenage girl and (not read the books, but get the impression from online discussions) something of a ditz, exactly the kind of person for whom it'd be in-character to curse her offspring with a ridiculous name.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:20 am

I once saw this one Transformers fan fic where Sam was transformed into a robot after being butt-raped by Frenzy (how he came back was never explained), then had some kind of Twilightish baby that is robot, grows and has hair (Metal fillimants but you get the picture). He names himself S.A.W. for Samul Archibald Witwicky. Yea...that was origional.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:46 am

Went badfic hunting for something to snark and found these:
Eve Valkyrine
Queen Seremela
Lord Myweil/Mywiel Myran
Lady Morwen Narethan
Valain Myran
Lady Valia Vewenth Narethan
If I had a nickle for every Larien I came across... *sigh*

The kicker? These all are supposed to be Woodelves from Mirkwood. No
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:16 am

I_Lam_Edhellen wrote:
And to top it all off, this is all one character:
Dalagasa Alecnor Cilarista Sharnoras
Dalagasa Dragonfire Bloom Sharnoras.
Darla Draconic Shadowfire
Darla, Darla Shadowfire

She must have a terrible time signing her checks.

Analaya isn't that bad, though. If you hadn't pointed out the "anal", I wouldn't have noticed it. It's a nice, homey name, as original names go.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:02 am

A while ago I helped run a Dragonriders of Pern roleplaying website...we were running a bit behind schedule as far as site construction was going and about halfway through filling out the NPC characters pages, I started to run out of ideas for names. Having a restricted period of time I filled in the pages with a bunch of 'filler names' with the intention of going back before the site opened and changing them to more suitable ones.

....

fast forward six months--one of our members pointed out that several of the NPCs were named

"Iamafemale"
"Iamadude"
"Wookumbunny"
"Lumpface"

I'm also pretty sure that we had an NPC dragonrider named V'der whom rode the bronze dragon Darth.
----

The names weren't intentional persay, but it was never intentional to make them public for as long as they were. Lumpface was actually "adopted" as a character by one of our members (although one of the stipulations of turning him into a PC character was changing Lumpface to a nickname...not his actual name)
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:15 am

Delcat wrote:
I_Lam_Edhellen wrote:
And to top it all off, this is all one character:
Dalagasa Alecnor Cilarista Sharnoras
Dalagasa Dragonfire Bloom Sharnoras.
Darla Draconic Shadowfire
Darla, Darla Shadowfire

She must have a terrible time signing her checks.

When I first saw this:
Quote:
"I weigh about 89 pounds, and I am 18"

I missed the open quotation mark and misread it as "I am eighteen inches". Which would make her almost as dense as the writer.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:40 am

I_Lam_Edhellen wrote:


And to top it all off, this is all one character:
Dalagasa Alecnor Cilarista Sharnoras
Dalagasa Dragonfire Bloom Sharnoras.
Darla Draconic Shadowfire
Darla, Darla Shadowfire


She's in big trouble if she ever runs a red light and the cop asks to see her driver's license.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:03 am

Rabid Badger wrote:
I_Lam_Edhellen wrote:


And to top it all off, this is all one character:
Dalagasa Alecnor Cilarista Sharnoras
Dalagasa Dragonfire Bloom Sharnoras.
Darla Draconic Shadowfire
Darla, Darla Shadowfire


She's in big trouble if she ever runs a red light and the cop asks to see her driver's license.
Hell, what if he asks her name. Any cop is going to think somebody's drunk if they rattle off that.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:44 am

szaleniec wrote:
Related to which, if you're writing a next-generation fic then for goodness' sake make sure the characters have names that would be plausible for their parents to give them.


Hear, hear.

There used to be a wonderful spork of an Inu Yasha fic on the old GAFF forum about a Sue called...I can't remember. Something like Branwen, or something. Something Irish. She was born in the same province as Inu Yasha, from Japanese parents. In the Feudal age.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:54 am

Rabid Badger wrote:
I know that in the upcoming Torchwood series "Children of Earth,' we actually get to meet Ianto's older sister, but I haven't heard what her name is. Hopefully something suitably Welsh.


As you probably know by know, it's Rhiannon. Lovely name, and very Welsh.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:20 pm

MASSIVELY EDITED after I Lam Edhellen gently pointed out that I was reaching rather far. I will stick to the ones that aren't utter word salad.

If you want to write Tolkien fanfic, you have to spend a lot of time thinking up a name. In particular, you really need to do your research if you are making up a name for an Elf or people who follow Elvish naming customs, such as the Dunedain. That's because an Elvish name always has a meaning that is particular to that person. It could refer to his/her heritage, be a nickname he/she picks up, be a name he/she chooses later in life, or even foretell the future. (But Elves do not repeat NOT use short nicknames. Elladan is never Dan and Elrohir is not Ro.)

So you Google up an Elvish name generator and translate your name--stop right there. Elvish name generators randomly assign names regardless of what they mean. They can include names of famous/infamous Tolkien characters, names from non-Tolkien role-playing games, names made up from Sindarin and/or Quenya wordlists (those are the two main Tolkien-Elvish languages and they are not alike), and outright gibberish. At least one generator (since taken down) was designed by somebody who knew quite a bit of Sindarin and Quenya and decided to have a little fun; many of the gems of my collection come from that page.

Okay, so you go to lists of Elvish names or words online--nope. You have to be extremely careful because The Lord of the Rings inspired metric buttloads of copycat novels, RPGs, etc. But their Elvish is to Tolkien-Elvish as this is to Swedish. Just to make things even more complicated, one of the most popular RPG wordlists does include Sindarin and Quenya, but the creators randomly reassigned meanings so that what you think you're saying is not what a Sindarin or Quenya speaker will hear. For instance, ambar "doom" is translated on the RPG wordlist as "bosom." On other pages, the words are correctly translated and all from Tolkien, but the person who put the list together didn't realize that Sindarin and Quenya are really not alike and just mixed and matched whatever he came across, which makes the people who use the list sound like drunk Welsh tourists trying to tell a long story in a bar in Finland, or vice versa. I call the whole mess Anguished Elvish.

By now, you may be thinking, "Jeez, I just want to write a fanfic! Why does this sound like homework?" Well, because you're trying to write fanfic for a world created by an Oxford philologist who has been called the Patron Saint of Conlangs. Still, a lot of fanficcers just throw up their hands and try for something that at least sounds Elvish-ish. Most of the time they come up with nonsense, such as Maelyne or Fénora, or word salad, such as Luinehothiel "blue-he-host-girl" or Dimechorion "son of circle-stairs." Sometimes they get an accidental off-target hit, such as Neveleniel, which is the names of two cities in Belgium stuck together. And sometimes . . . they are right on target. Just not the target the fanficcer thought he or she was aiming at.

So here's my revised list of Anguished Elvish names. Each has appeared in a fanfic. Some are grammatically correct; others apparently were thrown together after a quick search through a dictionary. Don't let this happen to you!

Beautiful Elf-maidens: Rhavaniel (S: uncivilized human girl); Talathiel (S: flat-surface-girl, valley girl); Larwen (Q: fat-maiden); Poldiel (Q: burly daughter); Finnaer (S: lamentable hair).

Legomancers, Boromancers, Frodomancers, third point of a love triangle between Elrond and Sauron, whatever: Altiriel (S: not-look-maiden); Araviniel (Q: noble baby daughter--ew); Aryana (Q: arya na, "may it be better"); Delyth (S: horrors); Hana (S: it); Laimea (Q: shady); Lalina (Q: denied); Lantaraana (Q: lanta rána, "wayward fall"); Liane (Q: "I twine"--Run, Legolas, run!); Maiyanna (Q: maiya + anna, "iffy gift"); Malana (Q: pained); Meruil (Q: mer- "wish, desire, want" + uil(yë) "(you) are not"); Mithdelothwen (S: gray horror maiden); Náirë (Q: "is desire"); Sawen (Q: "it girl" or "it a girl" (and she pretty!)); Tama (Q: that matter, that whatsit).

Hi, my name is ______ and I'll be your Tenth Walker today! Tararith (S: stiffness, stiffening); Dareth (S: stiff female); Agarwaen (S: bloodstained--the nom de guerre of a famously unlucky legendary character whose traveling companions tended to be redshirts); Remi (Q: snare); Morantwen (S: darkness-gift-maiden, which is nice and Goffik and all, except that in Middle-earth darkness is the natural habitat of things that want to kill and eat you or possibly rip your soul out and take it back to Sauron for entertainment); Ambar (S: doom); Natara (Q: nat ara, thing outside); Ninde (Q: forced, pushed in a particular direction); Qualmë (Q: agony or death); Lalina (Q: denied--yes, again).

Daughters Elrond knows he never had: Ana (Q: Give!); Arnarch (S: royal bite); Gwarthren (S: of the betrayer); Lanessa (Q:la-nessa,either "not young" or "you just think you're all that"); Lostithiliel (S: empty-sheen-maiden); Nevethiriel (S: nearby-spy-maiden).

Children Legolas knows he never had: Fern (S: dead, specifically a dead mortal); Nellaris (S: cleft-bells); Rilluin (S: blue flame, the color of burning methane--an assbaby).

Daughters Arwen and Aragorn know they never had: Adana (S: Mortal-O! or "Yo, mortal here"--yeah, and her sister's named Guess-What-Arwen-Your-Parents-and-Brothers-Will-Never-See-You-Again-iel); Lawen (Q: "not a girl"); Liante (Q: spider); Sabariel (S: mineshaft-daughter); Saerwen (S: bitter maiden).

Half-Ringwraith, descendant of a Vala, or somehow related to an Elf, a Hobbit, and Sauron: Valia (Q: va lia, from a fine thread--as in, snap goes the readers' suspension of disbelief).

This is why we don't trust name generators and Grelvish wordlists: Iriniel (Q: town-daughter) is, er, not the best name for an Elf from Lothlorien. Siannodel is supposed to mean "Moonbrook," but it's Sindarin for "now give loathing," si anno del. Elrohir tells his beloved girl-who-fell-into-Middle-Earth that her new name, Tanyayetille, means "Fire-eyed," but it's Quenya for "that is a fingertip/toe-tip," tanya ye tillë. Then there is a long list of names that aren't translated in the story, but it's pretty clear that they don't mean what the authors think they mean: Aldaya (Q: tree-ish--HOOM-hom!); Aradel (S: noble horror); Caldarien (Q: "shiny-things-woman"); Erdaliel (S: one-footed daughter); Halien (S: fish-woman); Laithwen (S: thongs-maiden); Lathril (S: glitter-thong); Layana (Q: "not that" ); Lewen (Q: you-girl--who named her, Tarzan?); Lindela (Q: lindë-la, "song--not!"); Lithuiel (S: ashy maiden); Maelhen (S: lust-eye); Manquárë (Q: "What fist?"); Náessë (Q: "is a name"); Naniel (Q or S: backwards daughter or valley girl); Ránëwén (Q: straying youth); Sariel (Q: small-stone-daughter, "Pebbles"); Sanya (Q: normal); Tulcakelumëë (Q: tulca celumë, yellow stream, yellow flow); Ualassea (Q: joyless). And, of course, there are Saywen, Puwen, Ane Femil, and Silias.

Even stopped clocks sometimes tell the right time: Minalie (Q: into-people--she's a vampire, so I guess she would have to be);Gwennarn (S: maiden-story--the Suethor was trying for "royal maiden," but this name is better because there is, of course, a prophecy about how "important" she is); Elaya (Q: look!-dear--a sugary-sweet, super-powered showoff); Enelya (Q: in the middle/at the center + ending that signifies endearment--that's a Sue, all right).

No, flipping through the index of a Tolkien book isn't going to help: A Elbereth Gilthoniel is the first line of a famous hymn in Elvish, so it's like naming your character Amazing Grace How Sweet The Sound. Lúthien is a bad name for a werewolf in the same way that Ahab is a bad name for a whale. Nirnaeth is Sindarin for tears, so it's nice and angsty, but it's also the name of a horrific battle in which Morgoth (Sauron's boss) nearly destroyed the Free Peoples. Fëanáro is not a good name for a girl because it's (a) specifically male and (b) the name of an infamous mass murderer; the Sindarin version, Fëanor, is just as tainted. Beren, OTOH, is the good kind of legendary name and was reused at least twice in Gondor--but it's also specifically male. It's like naming your heroine Hercules.

Even using a proper Tolkien glossary isn't going to help you if you can't frigging spell: Vennassë, the Angel of the Fellowship. Her name is Quenya for angle.

And one more thing: if you must make up a special word for an elf-hobbit hybrid, half-elf (what's wrong with "half-elf?"), or whatever, don't use helf. It's Sindarin for fur coat.

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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:34 pm

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Neveleniel is "two cities in Belgium."


I'm no scholar of fictional languages, but why would a culture set in the distant past have a word that translates to a modern day country?
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:57 pm

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Neveleniel is "two cities in Belgium."


I'm no scholar of fictional languages, but why would a culture set in the distant past have a word that translates to a modern day country?


It doesn't translate as anything I can figure out in either Sindarin or Quenya and Googling "Neveleniel Elvish" turns up no hits. If I Google just the name, however, the first several pages are lists of Belgian place-names (locations for concerts, index of fire stations, whatever). In all of them, Nevele is followed by Niel. Using the same logic, I can name my Orc Talkeetnatok.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:16 pm

Very well then. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:21 pm

My personal favourite horrifying names for OCs was a Sweeney Todd fic where Johanna and Anthony ran away, started a new life, and then had twins, a girl and a boy. They named them Sweeney and Todd, respectively. I find this A) unlikely, B) unimaginative, C) likely to make for one of the most confusing stories ever.

Then there was a background character in a Redwall fic who was named "Chav". I'm guessing the author was American, because over here "chav" refers to a social group who are roughly the nearest thing urban England has to rednecks.
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PostSubject: Re: WGW did you name your character that?   Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:41 am

chelonianmobile wrote:
Then there was a background character in a Redwall fic who was named "Chav". I'm guessing the author was American, because over here "chav" refers to a social group who are roughly the nearest thing urban England has to rednecks.

Then again, your MiSTings reminded me that there's a canonical Redwall character named "Felch"...
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