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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:33 am

Not so much a badfic sin, but one in general. Too much 'shipfiction' for a show where the 'ship' wasn't the main focus, or where romance was barely even the focus unless it worked in tandem with the plot.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:14 pm

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Something that isn't mentioned in the list, but was discussed at length in another thread about the movie 'Titanic' is when people write historical fanfic and can't be bothered to actually do any research on what life back then was like. As was mentioned, there were Titanic fanfics with Rose wearing miniskirts, she and Jack kissing in public and nobody commenting, her getting pregnant with Jack's baby, and everyone congratulating the happy couple, etc. I suppose it never occurs to most of the young teen girls who write this crap that there was a time when the world wasn't like it is now, when the rich didn't have anything to do with 'the lower classes' unless they needed some sort of job done, where your father could tell you who to marry and you WOULD marry them, whether you loved them or not. A time when a girl Rose's age was still very much under her parents control, and if she risked even talking with someone from a lower strata of society, she could get a 'reputation,' and no decent man would want to marry her. I know, it sounds laughable now, but my maternal grandmother came of age in a world like that (she was from a 'lower class' family). Your life and how it would go was pretty much dictated by which strata of society you happened to be born in, and the movie showed that. Apparently, the fantwits were too busy making eyes at Leonardo de Caprio to pay attention

This. So many of the fanbrats haven't got a clue. I must admit, though, that I'm willing to suspend disbelief if the writer can come up with a plausible reason why something anachronistic was done. I know enough of history to know that nothing was absolute, and social standards tended to vary from place to place (one of my grandmothers was from Connecticut, from a family with money, and from what she said, where she came from, it wasn't so much how much money you had as who you were related to that determined your social status, while in California, where she was sent for her health at the age of nine, it was money rather than relatives that determined your status).
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:13 pm

1. Soapboxing. That includes both whiny, ranty author's notes and putting your opinions into a character's mouth. Cori Falls is guilty of both, naturally.
2. Character bashing, full stop. I don't care if you don't like Aang's character and think Zutara is better, don't turn him into a whiny selfish monster just so Zuko and Katara can ditch him and go have sexytiems.
3. 'hi i dont believe in punkshuashun or right speeling and grammer also my shift keys broken'
4. "Hi, readers, welcome to the great wall of text! No silly little paragraph breaks in THIS fic!"
5. "I won't continue unless I get 10 reviews!!!"
6. "Who cares about plot and character development, it's all about my OTP!"
7. Forcing characters to act OOC for the sake of a contrived plot they wouldn't otherwise be involved in.
8. Genericization.
9. "Watch me put my favorite character through the wringer for 10+ chapters to prove how strong and brave and wonderful they are even though all they're doing is crying in a corner waiting for someone to rescue them from their trauma of the day!"
10. Die For Our Ship in any way, shape or form.
11. Rape is love, rape as backstory, sex is the cure for rape, rape as a plot device, all that bullshit.
12. Crude humor for the sake of crude humor.
13. A/N: I'm inserting my thoughts into the narrative rather than saving them for after the story's done!
14. "Here, have two pages of disclaimers and half a page of actual fic."
15. THE CLIT IS NOT A PENETRABLE ORIFICE. EVER.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:19 pm

Sara Jaye wrote:

15. THE CLIT IS NOT A PENETRABLE ORIFICE. EVER.

I don't even have one and the thought of penetrating the clitoris makes me wince.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:07 pm

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15. THE CLIT IS NOT A PENETRABLE ORIFICE. EVER.


I believe it is. For hyenas. They give birth through it too.

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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:37 pm

Character derailment of any kind. I read fanfic because I want to read stories about my favorite characters. If they act OOC, then it kinda defeats the point. It's even worse when it's related to Die For Our Ship.

As I don't read much smut, I haven't run into Rape Is Love, but I'd stop reading if that ever showed up. I don't have an issue with Rape As Drama, so long as it's handled tactfully. One very good Buffy fic I read revolved around Willow being raped, and the Scoobies hunting down and killing the rapists.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:31 pm

For me it is definitely OOCness.

I can dig AUs, even everyone else is OOC but the main character who then struggles to find out why everyone behaves so strangely ( it can be done nicely).

Even a High School fanfic could be interesting, if the characters remained themselves and try to figure out what is going on. Like after that scene at the end of Matrix, Agent Smith is suddenly in a school, a teacher walks by and tells him not to be late for class. Whatever he does (like killing everyone in school, driving away etc) he always ends up back at that schoool and everyone he killed is alive again ... that might be funny if someone can write Smith very well ...

But I digress.

Bad spelling, incoherence and these things are bad awful but at least a good sign that the fanfic is only good for sporking. When these are missing you can waste much more time looking for a good story.

BTW, I tried to search here and googled - but I was not able to find anything. What is IKEA sex?
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:36 pm

IKEA Erotica. Say goodbye to your time for the next few hours.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:40 pm

Thank you - do not worry I am immune to tv tropes pull. Needed 30 seconds and found my answer Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:22 pm

Barbayat wrote:
Thank you - do not worry I am immune to tv tropes pull. Needed 30 seconds and found my answer Smile


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na2W38tLp_Q#t=1m51s
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:17 pm

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:
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15. THE CLIT IS NOT A PENETRABLE ORIFICE. EVER.


I believe it is. For hyenas. They give birth through it too.

Welcome to the wonder ful world of information you didn't want or need to know.


*hits up Wikipedia*

...I see. brb, cringing and glad I'm not a hyena.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:44 am

Bad spelling, although sometimes it just makes it funnier.
I have to say though, if I read one more fic where a Mary-Sue goes to Hot Topic, I'm going to snap.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:47 am

I understand your pain on that one. I actually had a superhero and villain destroy a Hot Topic in a fight once to work out that particular frustration.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:09 pm

South Park had an episode where 'real' Goths (as opposed to 'wannabe' Goths aka Twilight fans) burned down Hot Topic. It was glorious.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:21 pm

Keith Fraser wrote:
South Park had an episode where 'real' Goths (as opposed to 'wannabe' Goths aka Twilight fans) burned down Hot Topic. It was glorious.


I loved that so much. Sometimes I'll sing the song when I'm reading Sue fics with Hot Topic
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:36 pm

Barbayat wrote:
For me it is definitely OOCness.

I can dig AUs, even everyone else is OOC but the main character who then struggles to find out why everyone behaves so strangely ( it can be done nicely).

Even a High School fanfic could be interesting, if the characters remained themselves and try to figure out what is going on. Like after that scene at the end of Matrix, Agent Smith is suddenly in a school, a teacher walks by and tells him not to be late for class. Whatever he does (like killing everyone in school, driving away etc) he always ends up back at that schoool and everyone he killed is alive again ... that might be funny if someone can write Smith very well ...

But I digress.

Bad spelling, incoherence and these things are bad awful but at least a good sign that the fanfic is only good for sporking. When these are missing you can waste much more time looking for a good story.

BTW, I tried to search here and googled - but I was not able to find anything. What is IKEA sex?


I read a fairly interesting Heroes high school fic that tried to transplant not only the characters, but the basic premise. It didn't get very far before stopping.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:42 pm

Incoherence and lack of commas, probably. I hate it when I can't even decipher what's going on. Rather than amusing me or annoying me, it just becomes an utter waste of my time.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:45 pm

For me, failure at figuring out normal basic human interactions. It is the mark of stupid beyond stupidity and makes me wish the authors experienced firsthand the events portrayed in their story.

There's a range of reactions considered 'normal' for example to being raped (going to the police; withdrawing in denial; hiring a killer; etc.) and others which are considered abnormal enough that they get dissected by the psychologist (Stockholm syndrome, etc.)
If you are going to write about the latters, it would be nice to hint that you know this is a fucked up situation, not describe how the heroine, just like that, is suddenly attracted to the dark brooding villain who forced himself upon her.

Come to think of it, has there ever been a fic where the victim falls in love with her attacker, but the rape was meant to be just that?
"Will you get away from me, woman? I fucking raped you!"
"No! You love me! We're meant for each other, you just can't admit it!
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PostSubject: Q   Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:51 pm

The Unoriginal wrote:


Come to think of it, has there ever been a fic where the victim falls in love with her attacker, but the rape was meant to be just that?
"Will you get away from me, woman? I fucking raped you!"
"No! You love me! We're meant for each other, you just can't admit it!
"


No, but I'd pay to read on. In the end, the girl drives the rapist to either committing suicide just to get away from her, or turning himself into the police, at which point we find out that: (A) This is what she intended all along, or (B) She's completely delusional, and kills herself rather than face life without her one twu wub.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:03 am

Making strong characters into weak ones. I've heard of, though never read, fic where a character with superpowers finds out that they are being stalked by an ordinary person, and is terrified.

What I want to see is the same scenario, only the stalkee simply deals with the stalker.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:41 am

That's often a product of misogyny--strong female characters turned into weak damsels for the sake of the plot. I've seen it happen to Raven and Starfire from the Teen Titans cartoon more times than I can remember.

It usually only happens to male characters in bad slash fics when they're transformed into the submissive weepy uke partner.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:49 am

Chaltab wrote:


It usually only happens to male characters in bad slash fics when they're transformed into the submissive weepy uke partner.

Alternately, there are some really weird dom/sub fics out there, and for the triple threat of "women are weak, HURR", "Men must be dominant, HURR", and having a feminization fetish, you get the fics where a male character has his will broken and forced into womanhood, magically or otherwise.
Granted the plague of original fic themed thusly probably outweighs the fanfic.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:15 am

I love dom/sub dynamics but those fics don't exist for the pairings I like /tangent

I think the thing I hate the most is when a story has a good premise, but the author is so caught up in their own agenda that it shits all over the fic. Like The Pendulum of Choice, a Harry Potter fic which has the cool plot device of dimension hopping and a few inspired alternate universes, but messes it all up with its fixation on Harry/Snape, Draco, or Lucius slash regardless of whether it makes sense. Or Alone, Together, a Kim Possible fic with a "last two people on Earth" premise and some interesting scenes, which gets completely bogged down in bizarre high school I CAN'T BE A LESBIAN BAWWW craziness when they get back home to everyone, which the author admits is the part they most wanted to write.

Granted, both fics have other issues, but the thing that makes me tear my hair out is that the author's pet topic crowded out all the good ideas they had.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:42 am

In my opinion, fanfiction could benefit from some more lesbians. Maybe we can slash Catherine and Nelly Dean.

...What?
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PostSubject: Re: What's the worst badfic sin?   Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:25 am

Grammatical bullshit annoys me far more than the average badfic sin. Nothing makes me hit the back button faster than a wall of text with multiple quotes on the same paragraph, or sentence structure that failed fourth grade.
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